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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:00 pm

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Well then why does Aizen want their key?

This kinda reminds me of an old theory I read where the Shinigami are really arch angels of the Lord, because they match the descriptions, and the Hueco Mundo is really Satan's demons, and Aizen is Satan because he turned on the King like Satan did for power.

It's actually making more sense now then before.

that would make sense, except for the quincy

The Quincy, hmm true they don't neccessarily match right now, but they might someday.

What if Quincy were jews? Jews afterall got nearly wiped out.

IDK they might just be there cause they are cool ^_^

Like I said it's an old theory I just remembered that makes sense more then ever right now.
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:06 pm

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amaterasu wrote:
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Well then why does Aizen want their key?

This kinda reminds me of an old theory I read where the Shinigami are really arch angels of the Lord, because they match the descriptions, and the Hueco Mundo is really Satan's demons, and Aizen is Satan because he turned on the King like Satan did for power.

It's actually making more sense now then before.

that would make sense, except for the quincy

The Quincy, hmm true they don't neccessarily match right now, but they might someday.

What if Quincy were jews? Jews afterall got nearly wiped out.

IDK they might just be there cause they are cool ^_^

Like I said it's an old theory I just remembered that makes sense more then ever right now.

0_o Jews?
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:17 pm

Did Tite Kubo base the shinigami of the Gotei 13 on the angels in religion?

(Subject to Change, Under Development)

Considering their role in the story as protectors of Soul Society and balancers of the spiritual world being similar to that of angels, I believe some shinigami could have been based off certain angels. The most obvious connection is between the captain shinigami and the archangels.

Comparing them and drawing their closest equivalents:

Archangel Michael = Hitsugaya

- Both are supposedly the most powerful of their kind (Gin says
Hitsugaya was the embodiment of the heavenly guardian), and serve as
military field commanders (Hitsugaya choose to be stationed in the real
world against the Arrancar threat).
- From Hitsugaya's character, he is very chivalrous, and Michael was named as a patron of chivalry.
- Appearance-wise, Hitsugaya grows a large pair of wings when he hits
Bankai and is very young. Michael is depicted with wings and a youthful
appearance.
- Hitsugaya can control water/ice with his zanpaktou, Michael is associated with water.

Archangel Gabriel = General Yamamoto

- Yamamoto's zanpaktou is fire-based, Gabriel is associated with fire.
- Gabriel is the chief of the angels. Yamamoto is the captain-commander of the Gotei 13.
- Gabriel is a messenger from God. Yamamoto, as the captain-commander,
seems to be the only shinigami who has some direct connection to Soul
Society's King or method to reach the King (e.g. knows where the King's
Key is).

Archangel Raphael = Shunsui/Unohana

- Raphael is associated with wind, Shunsui's zanpaktou is presumed to have wind-based abilities.
- Raphael is a healer and protector. Unohana is obviously a healer,
Shunsui is not the kind to kill, but rather protect; when facing Chad
as a ryoka, he offered not to fight him and he stopped Nanao from
harming him.
- Raphael is the angel of love, joy and light. Shunsui's and Unohana's
characters are those of people who are joyful and loving.

Archangel Uriel = Byakuya

- Uriel is associated with earth. Byakuya's zanpaktou is named after a
tree from the earth. To activate his bankai, he must drop his sword
into the earth.
- When Byakuya performs the final and most powerful form of his bankai,
he gains wings and a halo around his head, similar to an angel.
- Uriel is the angel of repentance, and hence is seen as pitiless.
Byakuya nearly sent his sister to be executed to follow the rules, and
has been depicted as an outwardly emotionless and uncaring character.

Archangel Selaphiel = Ukitake

- Selaphiel depicted with fish, Ukitake's zanpaktou resembles fishing javelins.
- Selaphiel is depicted in an attitude of humble prayer. Ukitake being ill is often humbled over.

Fallen Archangel Lucifer = Aizen

- Lucifer was an angel of light. Given that Aizen's zanpaktou can create illusions, he is therefore manipulating light.
- Aizen is attempting to lead a revolution against the King of Soul
Society and believes he can create stronger entities by making arrancar.
This is much the way Lucifer, driven by his own pride, tried to lead a revolution against God.

This is as far as I have gone. If you can find any other connections, all the more power to you.

P.S. If Aizen can be associated with fallen angels,
and he's one who has fallen by pride, does that make Isshin, a former
shinigami, a fallen angel by lust? He did have Ichigo and family by
Masaki who was only human. That means Ichigo is a Nephilim (offspring
of angels and humans).

*Taken from FlyingFelix of Animesuki.com (Used to go there once in a while to learn Gif Making tricks)

Anyway. Yes Jews. Jews are God's people, and they get massacred pretty readily, just like the Quincy did. If someone was going to make a reference like this, I figure that's the only place a Quincy would fit in thus far.
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:22 pm

those are striking resemblanses
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:28 pm

I know, it's freaky. That's why, if we are gonna have something intelligent to talk about Amaterasu my friend, I figured this would be an excellent topic to bring up.

Plus, I just realized, if the King is supposed to be God, and Aizen is trying to reach God Hood (Something that has long since been Lucifer's dream if you are study any of that jazz) then it starts piecing in more readily.

My question is I wonder who the blind guy is supposed to be, or Zaraki?
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:30 pm

Zaraki is the one who fights and tosen is the one who thinks aizen's way is the truth/peace and all that
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:32 pm

Mhm. I know who they are, I meant if they were based off angels or demons or whatever who the heck they would be.

Problem is, unlike this kid who made this up, I haven't much of a knowledge base on angels or demons.
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:36 pm

then read the book lol
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:39 pm

Well, I have, but Angels are very very between the lines man.
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:42 pm

oh, well i haven't read it so i woundn't know
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:50 pm

Well anyway.

I still don't get the king thing man.
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:56 pm

quater wrote:
Did Tite Kubo base the shinigami of the Gotei 13 on the angels in religion?

(Subject to Change, Under Development)

Considering their role in the story as protectors of Soul Society and balancers of the spiritual world being similar to that of angels, I believe some shinigami could have been based off certain angels. The most obvious connection is between the captain shinigami and the archangels.

Comparing them and drawing their closest equivalents:

Archangel Michael = Hitsugaya

- Both are supposedly the most powerful of their kind (Gin says
Hitsugaya was the embodiment of the heavenly guardian), and serve as
military field commanders (Hitsugaya choose to be stationed in the real
world against the Arrancar threat).
- From Hitsugaya's character, he is very chivalrous, and Michael was named as a patron of chivalry.
- Appearance-wise, Hitsugaya grows a large pair of wings when he hits
Bankai and is very young. Michael is depicted with wings and a youthful
appearance.
- Hitsugaya can control water/ice with his zanpaktou, Michael is associated with water.

Archangel Gabriel = General Yamamoto

- Yamamoto's zanpaktou is fire-based, Gabriel is associated with fire.
- Gabriel is the chief of the angels. Yamamoto is the captain-commander of the Gotei 13.
- Gabriel is a messenger from God. Yamamoto, as the captain-commander,
seems to be the only shinigami who has some direct connection to Soul
Society's King or method to reach the King (e.g. knows where the King's
Key is).

Archangel Raphael = Shunsui/Unohana

- Raphael is associated with wind, Shunsui's zanpaktou is presumed to have wind-based abilities.
- Raphael is a healer and protector. Unohana is obviously a healer,
Shunsui is not the kind to kill, but rather protect; when facing Chad
as a ryoka, he offered not to fight him and he stopped Nanao from
harming him.
- Raphael is the angel of love, joy and light. Shunsui's and Unohana's
characters are those of people who are joyful and loving.

Archangel Uriel = Byakuya

- Uriel is associated with earth. Byakuya's zanpaktou is named after a
tree from the earth. To activate his bankai, he must drop his sword
into the earth.
- When Byakuya performs the final and most powerful form of his bankai,
he gains wings and a halo around his head, similar to an angel.
- Uriel is the angel of repentance, and hence is seen as pitiless.
Byakuya nearly sent his sister to be executed to follow the rules, and
has been depicted as an outwardly emotionless and uncaring character.

Archangel Selaphiel = Ukitake

- Selaphiel depicted with fish, Ukitake's zanpaktou resembles fishing javelins.
- Selaphiel is depicted in an attitude of humble prayer. Ukitake being ill is often humbled over.

Fallen Archangel Lucifer = Aizen

- Lucifer was an angel of light. Given that Aizen's zanpaktou can create illusions, he is therefore manipulating light.
- Aizen is attempting to lead a revolution against the King of Soul
Society and believes he can create stronger entities by making arrancar.
This is much the way Lucifer, driven by his own pride, tried to lead a revolution against God.

This is as far as I have gone. If you can find any other connections, all the more power to you.

P.S. If Aizen can be associated with fallen angels,
and he's one who has fallen by pride, does that make Isshin, a former
shinigami, a fallen angel by lust? He did have Ichigo and family by
Masaki who was only human. That means Ichigo is a Nephilim (offspring
of angels and humans).

*Taken from FlyingFelix of Animesuki.com (Used to go there once in a while to learn Gif Making tricks)

Anyway. Yes Jews. Jews are God's people, and they get massacred pretty readily, just like the Quincy did. If someone was going to make a reference like this, I figure that's the only place a Quincy would fit in thus far.

uh.... what? O_O;;
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:02 pm



Just another interesting page to reference to Byakuya being the angel of repentance.

And Two pages later...
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:22 pm

very good Q those strikeing resemblenses does beget a aqueous for the kubos guenuallity of the story but i reprove to your theory Q because i have discern in the story and it does controdicts itself time to time.
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:28 pm

Good grief man speak in plainer times I do not carry a soul reaper to Q handbook Oh Yeah!

I kid. But this is really just observation time, in fact those were just some extremely obvious proofs I would have been stupid to not post.

There are lots of other smaller Biblical references I have been catching left and right since I started my hunt.

Any particular points you'd like to offer on the validity or invalidity of my statements?
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:04 am

your.. hunt >.>

but yea, i guess i see the similarity O_O
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:05 pm

Yeah a hunt for proofs!
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:17 pm

dunt more!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:36 am

dunt... more?.. O_O

wats that mean
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:43 pm

soul reaper 14 wrote:
dunt more!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:25 am

I'm an atheist so i have no idea for the references but i have a basic idea of that your talking about from the previous posts from Q. Oh man... but its annoying to have them pointed out :P
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:31 pm

Kira wrote:
I'm an atheist so i have no idea for the references but i have a basic idea of that your talking about from the previous posts from Q. Oh man... but its annoying to have them pointed out :P

Could care less really. You know I have a point here.
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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:21 pm

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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:43 pm

Anyway.

Well to be honest this theory is in the bags. I can point to dozens of pages that point to Biblical Allusions. I am surprised that it took me so long to catch on. He hid them well.

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PostSubject: Re: How the...   Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:17 pm

Evil PLan kubo is a genious
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